@marshall_long: To be honest, although I've included the Buu Saga for Piccolo, he never accomplishes any significant feats there. Dragon Ball Z (Anime) Great Saiyaman arc. Cell), give or take, I'd say. So Cell's form might have been weaker then before. I forgot Pikkon took out Cell and Frieza as well, but that seemed like some severe filler to me. I think it's highly unlikely for Piccolo to join up if he didn't think he could win for sure, but you might be right, since Kami did do just that in Dragonball as "Hero." I think overpowering Babidi may be enough to put Piccolo well above Pikkon. I suppose you're right on that point, but that only makes Goku weaker at his time of fighting Pikkon than I was originally giving him credit for, thus making it more reasonable that Piccolo would be able to train in 7 years to be as strong as Goku was. The EX-Fusion Pikkon and Piccolo who was introduced in the video game Dragon Ball Fusions. Just what this thread needed. Naw, Piccolo in the Buu Saga is more than powerful and tough enough to tank attacks that hardly damaged MSSJ Goku (who wasn't even trying his hardest). If Piccolo was as strong as Goku was during the Cell saga, they would've at the very least commented on that fact and he wouldn't have had any reason to be concerned about the Supreme Kai. Piccolo's techniques are clearly superior to the Kamehameha, especially going by feats, and the Masenko is Gohan's creation... he's not exactly the brightest fighter in the books. It was also the reason Goku was so desperate to push so much power into his Instant Transmission Kamehameha because he knew he didn't have a chance of fighting Cell anymore at that pace. Again, Piccolo's techniques are far superior even to Goku's Super Kamehameha. Pikkon was on par with ssj goku who was able to beat perfect cell (before he recieved a zenkai and became super perfect cell) . He easily dealt with Videl, a top-notch superhuman martial artist who is easily as strong or stronger than Goku was when he fought Raditz, and though she lacked experience with ki, so did he: The simple fact that Babidi could easily control Dabura, who is about Gohan's power, and not Vegeta, who is presumably quite a lot stronger, is a good indication of his power level. If he couldn't stand up to a SSJ2 for even one shot, he'd have no business participating in the tournament. Standard Winning Conditions ie KO, Incapacitation, BFR, Death if either is willing to dish it out etc, Both combatants start out with weighted training clothing in picture but option to take it off is available, Logical reasons for why you think a character wins, No flame wars, trolling or being jerks to each other. @marshall_long: I take it you don't think he has one in an all out fight then? By fusing with Nail, Piccolo had a substantial increase in power and fought 2nd form Frieza nearly to a standstill. Piccolo could easily Solar Flare, blinding Pikkon, then surround him with light grenades and/or Special Beam Cannon him down. It's definitely reasonable to state that Piccolo become as powerful as Fully powered Super Saiyan by the Buu saga at the very least, but I doubt any more than that. They each hold a Potara. Goku's Super Kamehameha was stronger because Goku himself was stronger than Piccolo. It's a fight until either combatant is KOed, incapacitated, BFRed or dead. I suppose you're right on that point, but that only makes Goku weaker at his time of fighting Pikkon than I was originally giving him credit for, thus making it more reasonable that Piccolo would be able to train in 7 years to be as strong as Goku was, or at least close enough to be able to figure out a win.

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